killing bugs

topic posted Sun, May 9, 2004 - 3:21 PM by  Pandora-Frijole
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i was looking through the postings of a buddhist tribe, and came across a thread about whether or not killing roaches was wrong. there was a varied response.
personally, i think killing roaches is wrong. i cant say that i like them...not the nasty household variety anyways. but i wouldnt kill them. i would just shoo them outside, or more likely get someone else to shoo them outside.
i wont kill an ant if i can help it. even if its in the process of stinging me i take care to gently brush it away (and it actually hurts less since i am not grinding their poison-filled abdomens in to further aggravate the tiny puncture)
but i kill an awful lot of ticks. i think only a jain could hold that against me.
and i must admit, when i am at the environmental center, i take a lot of pleasure in watching my man feed centipedes and crickets to the salamanders and other lizards and turtles. circle of life and everything.
i just wanted to see others perspectives on this. when is it "ok" to kill a bug? (or is it ever ok?)
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Pandora-Frijole
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  • Re: killing bugs

    Sun, May 9, 2004 - 6:49 PM
    I kill VERY few bugs.... but I do kill roaches and Black Widow spiders.... and mosquitos that land on my skin or torment me all night in my bedroom. I do try to AVOID stepping on any other bugs (ants, beetles, etc.) if I can help it, but I don't get frantic or weird about it. I do leave the whispy house-spiders alone, and let THEM kill mosquitos and ants for me. Other harmless spiders & bugs in the house I gently put outside.
    Yeah, ticks I would kill. And, yes I've fed baby crickets to a few pet lizards & snakes in the past. I'll NOT bother with an endless debate about what constitutes "natural vs. unnatural" life-practices. I don't discuss politics much and I almost never discuss my spiritual beliefs or thoughts. Anyway, there ya go.......
    • Kai
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      Re: killing bugs

      Mon, May 10, 2004 - 7:11 PM
      I'm going to have to kill a variety of bugs for my junior year bug project...:( not looking forward to it, at all. hoping to either 1.get other people to do it for me or 2.just find a lot of already dead ones. however, if i must do it myself, i will - is there anything i can tell myself that will make it easier to do?
  • Re: killing bugs

    Mon, May 10, 2004 - 7:48 PM
    This is really an interesting topic, with all kinds of perspectives that are valid and well thought out. Ahhh the delemas of the moral being!!

    I kill a few insects, sometimes its unavoidable. I dont think it is wrong to squash a few cockroaches. But to totally obliterate them, or any insect species, I feel IS wrong. Even roaches have their place in the food chain and are beneficial in their own ways.

    When it comes to having to kill insects for scientific purposes, well, that too is also unavoidable. To an extent. I think the only thing you can really do is to make sure the species you are studying is not endangered or highly specialized in its niche. Referring to previous research on the species can lessen your impact. But if you dont have to preserve them for your research, you can simply put them in a jar in the refrigerator for a little while to slow them down. They revive quickly by themselves in a warm room.


    Well, happy trails. :)
    • Re: killing bugs

      Tue, May 11, 2004 - 1:03 AM
      If you are thinking of killing a " bug ", I think it best to feed it to another bug, say like to a spider or a hoard of ants.
  • Re: killing bugs

    Tue, May 11, 2004 - 3:50 AM
    Having a dog I take issue with parasites, mainly ticks. I freely admit to killing ticks because they carry lymes disease. I may take down the occasional mosquito but for the most part I don't kill insects on purpose. Fear is probably the number one reaon people do kill bugs.
    • Re: killing bugs

      Tue, May 11, 2004 - 6:27 AM
      I know a woman who is so devotely Hindu if she is outside after dark, she does not speak for fear of swallowing an insect.
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        Re: killing bugs

        Tue, May 11, 2004 - 11:28 PM
        While I respect those who avoid killing bugs for moral reasons, I SQUASH EM' all the time.
        Mosquitos, earwigs, silverfish, ticks, carpenter ants, sweet ants, yellow jackets on my home turf are fair game, otherwise I try and let everything go it's own way. I've only lately taken to squashing a few spiders (do you know the Who song "Boris the Spider"?) usually I go thru all kinds of juggling to capture and release outside.
        Slugs are not killed but they are hurled into the alley.

        It might help to remember that our immune system is killing millions of living micro organisms a day.. death is very natural.

        Since I'm plagued by yellowjackets (here in Oregon), I confess I derive some pleasure out of zapping them, as no doubt they would do with me.
        I've found I'm unable to kill them when they are drinking water tho.. it's so fascinating to see them perched on the waters edge, sipping..
  • Re: killing bugs

    Thu, May 13, 2004 - 11:19 AM
    I love this thread.

    I do my best to not kill any spiders. When they hang out in the house, I try to carefully relocate them to the backyard.

    I have never had such respect for mosquitos. Never. Even when I was a vegetarian (for 8 years) for moral reasons. Even after reading Singer's "Animal Liberation." It's a lame stance to lots of folks, but I've always viewed mosquitos as an aberration. A grand mistake. Sure, they provide sustenance to other creatures ... but the diseases they have perpetuated outweigh my normal moral sensitivities and I have no issue whatsoever with swatting them to a timely demise.
    • Re: killing bugs

      Thu, May 13, 2004 - 4:47 PM
      ah...but if it werent for natural vectors keeping our own numbers in check, well, who knows what this world would come to....
      • Re: killing bugs

        Thu, May 13, 2004 - 7:19 PM
        This turning out to be a bad tick season. We are learning more and more how many dieases ticks are responsible for. For humans too!
  • Re: killing bugs

    Thu, May 13, 2004 - 10:54 PM
    As a buddhist, I must say, if you can avoid killing bugs, please do, but its unavoidable, so dont beat yourself up over it.
  • Re: killing bugs

    Fri, May 14, 2004 - 3:54 PM
    in a more miniature era, i once made the mistake of putting a Jerusalem cricket in a bucket with a bunch of slender salamanders i'd collected - the psychofuck went on a butchering spree and chopped'm all up, no mercy. i felt like shit about it for months. i also ended the cricket's existence with no hesitation when i found the carnage. creepy assholes, those Jerusalem crickets. i wouldn't hesistate to put one out of my misery at any given opportunity. Mosquitos, far and away the most dangerous animal on this fine planet, have noticed (very briefly) a similar fate if they're within comingling distance of my hand. i squish'm against a wall, ideally, and leave'm there as a targeted barbaric message to their kinfolk.

    Spiders are a-OK by me. they're regular non-paying tenants of our "front yard," webs constructed between one of our tiki torches and the fence. i'll tap the center of the web with a twig and time their sprint from under the hood of the tiki torch to the epicenter. elite athlete speed, without exception! they usually catch on to the trickery after just one exercise, the crafty buggers. ants are cool, as are bees, particularly the bumblers - just doing their things. Mantises and dragonflies reign supreme in my book; always have, always will. i would never ever ever squish one. never. ever.
    • Re: killing bugs

      Wed, December 15, 2004 - 8:01 PM
      Oh sadness....I just read about your hatred of the lovely Jerusalem Cricket. The are actually more likely to mulch your soil and take care of garden pest and the like.... They are cool insects.....

      However - Having grown up in Michigan near a bog.... I was brutely massacred by mosquitoes and deer flies every summer. AGGGGGGG.

      Pests...So we used to encourage bats...some neighbors even built bat boxes....
  • Re: killing bugs

    Mon, December 13, 2004 - 1:35 AM
    I love roaches. but I would freak out if they touched me. I just love to look at them and just gaze at how cute they are ^_^ and flies are the best !!!
    but awww =( you enjoy bugs being eaten by animals?
    I love animals as well bugs, but bugs are like my family.
    I would never harm a ant. even at work, when theres a trail of ants in the store, I manage to take them all outside XD;;;; i let NOone kill ANY of them.

    And I HAte the circle of life.
    nothing should be killed.
    I hate death !
    but I do love it when humans die.
    they deserve it
    • Re: killing bugs

      Tue, December 14, 2004 - 9:44 PM
      Honestly, the best way to rid yourselves of unwanted bugs is to find their natural enemy. this will help your moral conflicts and it is better for the environment. I firmly believe in eco-warfare in my garden and house. I have spiders living in the corners eating whatever flying things manage to escape the cats. I also catch crickets and things for my tarantula. We use natural parasites to rid ourselves of most insects from grasshoppers to grubs. We only use this is there is a problem due to all our neighbors using those nasty pesticides.

      For those who kill black widows: Be warned! The False Black Widow looks just like a real Black Widow with only slight differences. They eat black widows. Just thought you would like to know.

      For Palmetto Bugs (AKA American Cockroaches): Bay leaves. If you can plant a few small bay trees around you yard, then even better! There is a chemical reaction in the roach from the fumes emenating from bay leaves that hinders movement. Palmetto bugs will not cross into an area surrounded by bay, because they can't move well. I use bay leaves in all my drawers, under the sink and under the bathtub if I have problems. Since my cats eat anything that crawls in this house, I have those issues only when the neighbors spray synthetic chemicals.
      • Re: killing bugs

        Sun, December 19, 2004 - 9:23 AM
        I believe in the circle of life and part of the reason that bugs make so many bugs is because they get eaten/squished/etc...

        I don't think all bugs should die and don't use pesticides in my home (of course, I can't since I have a pet praying manits). However, I also don't let them take over.
        Ants belong outdoors and I will kill any scout ants looking to turn my home into theirs. After a few scouts not returning, they get the idea that my place is not the place to blaze trails.

        Spiders are allowed as long as they stay up in the corners and never come near me. Any spider that runs towards me or drops down on me is dead. They also must realize that all webs come down once a month.
        Fortunately, I don't get many other bugsin my home...I use skin-so-soft as a mosquito repellant and use Advantage on my dog to control fleas.
        I add ladybugs every spring to cut down on aphids and just let the rest of the bugs in the yard do their own thing. My yard is too small and shady for growing food, so I don't have to worry about the outdoor bugs so much.
        • Re: killing bugs

          Fri, December 31, 2004 - 8:14 PM
          I..................I........I love you Thistle! You and I have the same beliefs on the creepy crawlies!!
          • Re: killing bugs

            Wed, August 24, 2005 - 4:57 PM
            I have always been amused by this story of the Dalai Lama that I heard:

            The Dalai Lama was lecturing to a huge crowd when a mosquito landed on his arm and proceeded to bite him. He squished it. Gasps from the audience. He is asked by the interviewer, Why did you just kill the mosquito if you claim to be Buddhist/non-violent? His answer: I am advancing evolution.

            heh. that Dalai Lama, what a card.
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    Re: killing bugs

    Thu, September 15, 2005 - 4:54 PM
    to those of you not opposed to killing insects, eating them may make the death not "in vain," and you may be interested in the brand new Entomophagy tribe. mainly started for the practical concerns of eating insects, but the moral implications are fair game too. check it out. . .
  • Jen
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    Re: killing bugs

    Fri, September 1, 2006 - 3:31 PM
    I have to say, I feel a little better after reading all these messages.

    I am a Buddhist and I try not to kill insects... that being said, I have a rule-- If it could hurt me or my kids, I kill it if I can. Disease carriers like mosquitos, roaches and flies are the least of my problems. Some of these I can catch and put outside, although I don't even try with mosquitos.

    Brown recluse spiders are a HUGE problem where I live. I kill every one of those that comes in or anywhere near my house. Catching them to put them outside puts me at risk of getting bitten and losing a finger. I always feel a little bad about killing them, and I say a little prayer for them, but I can sleep a little easier now knowing that other buddhists have grappled with the same moral problem and come to the same conclusion.

    Daddy long legs, jumping spiders and the like are welcome in my house though. I just try to shoo them out of the open when I see them so they don't get smashed by accident. They can stay and eat the flies. Oh, and we have the most adorable little friend spider that comes to our porch every night to spin a web between the legs of our porch swing. We all go outside to say hi to him some nights, and then he's always gone in the morning, web and all. He's getting to be like a member of the family-- is that weird? Does anyone know what kind of spider he is?
    • Re: killing bugs

      Fri, September 1, 2006 - 11:30 PM
      Probably some kind of orbweaver, I guess. I think they set up shop for the night, use their web that night, and go sleep it off somewhere, only to return the following night to do it again. Pretty things, orbweavers.
  • Re: killing bugs

    Thu, September 7, 2006 - 7:48 PM
    I don't think it is right to kill any bug. I don't care if it's a bee and it's going to sting you. If a Buddhist tribe is talking of killing anything they should re-examine their beliefs, they might have just killed their grandmother, or other long time relative.

    I would shoo a roach outside too.

    It's funny to me how a butterfly is a glorified moth, and a ladybug is a glorified beetle, but people never hesitate to squash a beetle or a moth...just another way society puts to much emphasis on looks.

    ugg..it's disgusting.
    The only bug I was guilty of killing was maggots, I don't know why exactly other then I don't think it's possible to be lower on the food chain then to be a maggot, they are repulsive, and even though i got some satisfaction from crushing a few of them, I still feel awful about it.
    • Re: killing bugs

      Fri, November 17, 2006 - 11:37 PM
      I avoid killing predatory animals on principle. I realize it's sort of counterintuitive, but the way I see it, the place of the non-predatory animal is partly to serve as food for the predator, which assures the health of the predated species by killing and eating some of its members. So, to kill a non-predatory animal does not much harm its species. With the predator, on the other hand, it's place is mostly to survice until killed by a competitor, or until it becomes too old to hunt. To cut down a predator in its prime does a lot more to throw things out of whack than does killing one of its potential prey. Even so, if I can't eat an insect, I'll tend not to want to kill it. It's a shame to kill a thing for which one has no use in its deceased form. I will make exceptions. if there's food out in the open, I won't tolerate disease vectors, such as flies or cockroaches. Normally, removal is impracticable, and waiting for them to come into traps allows them to breed and do their business. Where I work, food is abundant, and predators (much to the favor of their own safety) are scarce. Without predators or food scarcity, it's almost cruel to allow the so-called pest species get out of control; enabling their unchecked growth only creates an unsustainable scenario that means many, many more of them will suffer and die when the illusion of sustainability reaches its end. Either we kill them, or we let them take over the restaurant and the business gets shut down, thus cutting off the food supply and exposing them to more predators. Killing them steadily is probably more humane, I think.

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